{"id":1407,"date":"2005-07-31T22:39:46","date_gmt":"2005-07-31T19:39:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mummila.net\/marginaali\/?p=1407"},"modified":"2011-08-09T07:28:01","modified_gmt":"2011-08-09T04:28:01","slug":"jean-charles-de-menezes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/","title":{"rendered":"Jean Charles de Menezes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p id=\"post1407-4kcpjxiau3ociq9ro2mih5jle\"><a href=\"http:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/de-menezes\/#comments\">Edel\u00adli\u00adsen kir\u00advoit\u00adta\u00admat kom\u00admen\u00adtit<\/a> antoi\u00advat pot\u00adkua, kii\u00adtos niis\u00adt\u00e4!&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-4kcpjxiau3ociq9ro2mih5jle\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-ovx6xmpkh21oqy3rm0ipkj8cu\">Polii\u00adsi, joka ampui <a href=\"https:\/\/secure.wikimedia.org\/wikipedia\/en\/wiki\/Jean_Charles_de_Menezes\">de Meneze\u00adsin<\/a>, teki v\u00e4\u00e4\u00adrin joka tapauk\u00adses\u00adsa. Se, oli\u00adko se v\u00e4\u00e4\u00adrin juridisessa[alaviite]En tie\u00adten\u00adk\u00e4\u00e4n tun\u00adne, vie\u00adl\u00e4 v\u00e4hem\u00adm\u00e4n s\u00e4\u00e4\u00add\u00e4 brit\u00adti\u00adl\u00e4i\u00adsi\u00e4 lake\u00adja, mut\u00adta juri\u00addis\u00adta vas\u00adtuu\u00adta kos\u00adke\u00advat \u201cn\u00e4in on\u201d-lauseet pit\u00e4\u00e4\u00adkin t\u00e4s\u00ads\u00e4 lukea \u201cn\u00e4in pit\u00e4i\u00adsi olla\u201d-lauseiksi. Rin\u00adnas\u00adtan ne moraa\u00adlis\u00adta vas\u00adtuu\u00adta kos\u00adke\u00adviin \u201cn\u00e4in on\u201d-lauseisiin t\u00e4s\u00ads\u00e4 vain suju\u00advuu\u00adden vuoksi.[\/alaviite] vai pel\u00adk\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n moraa\u00adli\u00adses\u00adsa mie\u00adles\u00ads\u00e4, riip\u00adpuu sii\u00adt\u00e4, min\u00adk\u00e4\u00adlai\u00adsen ohjeis\u00adtuk\u00adsen polii\u00adsit pom\u00admi-isku\u00adjen j\u00e4l\u00adkeen joh\u00addol\u00adtaan n\u00e4i\u00adt\u00e4 tapauk\u00adsia sil\u00adm\u00e4l\u00adl\u00e4\u00adpi\u00adt\u00e4en sai\u00advat.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-ovx6xmpkh21oqy3rm0ipkj8cu\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-s76am3d73dgas8h0n9k5m1xa2\">Jos polii\u00adsi\u00adjoh\u00adto ei riit\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4s\u00adti teroit\u00adta\u00adnut sit\u00e4, ett\u00e4 ihmi\u00adsoi\u00adkeu\u00addet ovat edel\u00adleen voi\u00admas\u00adsa, ett\u00e4 ihmi\u00adsi\u00e4 ei saa ampua jos ei ole todel\u00adla vakuut\u00adta\u00advia syi\u00adt\u00e4 uskoa, ett\u00e4 niin teke\u00adm\u00e4t\u00adt\u00e4 j\u00e4t\u00adt\u00e4\u00admi\u00adnen joh\u00adtaa tois\u00adten, viat\u00adto\u00admien ihmis\u00adten kuo\u00adle\u00admaan, juri\u00addi\u00adnen vas\u00adtuu on polii\u00adsi\u00adjoh\u00addon, ja lii\u00adpa\u00adsin\u00adta vet\u00e4\u00adneel\u00adle polii\u00adsil\u00adle j\u00e4\u00e4 pel\u00adk\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n moraa\u00adli\u00adnen vas\u00adtuu: h\u00e4n tap\u00adpoi viat\u00adto\u00adman ihmi\u00adsen ja k\u00e4r\u00adsii sen aiheut\u00adta\u00admat tun\u00adnon\u00adtus\u00adkat, ja se on oikein.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-s76am3d73dgas8h0n9k5m1xa2\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-m5gum4heuio4r6tehg4xbeem6\">Jos taas polii\u00adsit ohjeis\u00adtet\u00adtiin n\u00e4i\u00adden tapaus\u00adten varal\u00adta - niin kuin ehdot\u00adto\u00admas\u00adti oli\u00adsi pit\u00e4\u00adnyt teh\u00add\u00e4, kos\u00adka n\u00e4i\u00adt\u00e4 lii\u00adpa\u00adsin\u00adherk\u00adki\u00e4 polii\u00adse\u00adja aina taa\u00adtus\u00adti l\u00f6y\u00adtyy, ja kos\u00adka maan p\u00e4\u00e4\u00adkau\u00adpun\u00adgin jou\u00adtu\u00admi\u00adnen pom\u00admi-isku\u00adjen koh\u00adteek\u00adsi on riit\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4n ep\u00e4\u00adva\u00adkaut\u00adta\u00adva teki\u00adj\u00e4 kenel\u00adle tahan\u00adsa, ja t\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4 joh\u00adtuen polii\u00adsi\u00adjoh\u00addon pit\u00e4i\u00adsi olla sii\u00adt\u00e4 my\u00f6s juri\u00addi\u00adses\u00adsa vas\u00adtuus\u00adsa - kysei\u00adsen polii\u00adsin pit\u00e4i\u00adsi jou\u00adtua my\u00f6s juri\u00addi\u00adseen vas\u00adtuuseen vir\u00adhees\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-m5gum4heuio4r6tehg4xbeem6\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-j24pruujh9od2mvgt6vfqwb1i\">Huo\u00admat\u00adkaa, ett\u00e4 <strong>sil\u00adl\u00e4, oli\u00adko ammut\u00adtu mies ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti vai ei, ei ole t\u00e4m\u00e4n kan\u00adnal\u00adta mit\u00e4\u00e4n mer\u00adki\u00adtys\u00adt\u00e4<\/strong>. Polii\u00adsin vir\u00adhe oli sii\u00adn\u00e4, ett\u00e4 mies ammut\u00adtiin sii\u00adt\u00e4 huo\u00adli\u00admat\u00adta, ett\u00e4 ei ollut riit\u00adt\u00e4\u00advi\u00e4 perus\u00adtei\u00adta uskoa, ett\u00e4 h\u00e4n on ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti. Ampu\u00adja\u00adpo\u00adlii\u00adsil\u00adla omas\u00adta mie\u00adles\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n oli, mut\u00adta h\u00e4nel\u00adl\u00e4 ei oli\u00adsi pit\u00e4\u00adnyt olla. Vas\u00adtuun pai\u00adkan m\u00e4\u00e4\u00adr\u00e4\u00e4 se, ett\u00e4 mis\u00adt\u00e4 joh\u00adtui, ett\u00e4 h\u00e4nel\u00adl\u00e4 se var\u00admuus oli, vaik\u00adkei oli\u00adsi pit\u00e4\u00adnyt: joh\u00adtui\u00adko se polii\u00adsi\u00adjoh\u00addon huo\u00adli\u00admat\u00adto\u00admuu\u00addes\u00adta vai\u00adko vain h\u00e4nen omas\u00adta tai\u00adta\u00admat\u00adto\u00admuu\u00addes\u00adtaan.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-j24pruujh9od2mvgt6vfqwb1i\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-9t43ubv9k24vwlcv4t3b4hvje\">Sen, ett\u00e4 riit\u00adt\u00e4\u00advi\u00e4 perus\u00adtei\u00adta ei ollut, puo\u00adles\u00adtaan tie\u00add\u00e4m\u00adme nyt ainoas\u00adtaan sen ansios\u00adta, ett\u00e4 mies <em>ei ollut<\/em> ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti. Jos h\u00e4n oli\u00adsi ollut ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti, emme taa\u00adtus\u00adti oli\u00adsi kuul\u00adleet niin pal\u00adjon yksi\u00adtyis\u00adkoh\u00adtia sii\u00adt\u00e4, mik\u00adsi polii\u00adsi ampui, kuin nyt olem\u00adme kuul\u00adleet. Kui\u00adten\u00adkin, sii\u00adn\u00e4\u00adkin tapauk\u00adses\u00adsa, jos ne syyt oli\u00adsi\u00advat olleet samat kuin mit\u00adk\u00e4 nyt (polii\u00adsin mukaan de Meneze\u00adsil\u00adl\u00e4 oli pak\u00adsu tak\u00adki, h\u00e4n ei totel\u00adlut pys\u00e4h\u00adty\u00admis\u00adk\u00e4s\u00adky\u00e4 ja juok\u00adsi), niin <em>polii\u00adsi oli\u00adsi teh\u00adnyt v\u00e4\u00e4\u00adrin<\/em>.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-9t43ubv9k24vwlcv4t3b4hvje\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-7li1v6lotjtc4e9j44nb1r1g0\">Sii\u00adn\u00e4 tapauk\u00adses\u00adsa, ett\u00e4 kaik\u00adki edel\u00adli\u00adset ehdot oli\u00adsi t\u00e4y\u00adtet\u00adty, en var\u00admaan\u00adkaan kui\u00adten\u00adkaan jak\u00adsai\u00adsi olla kovin\u00adkaan vihai\u00adnen sii\u00adt\u00e4 vir\u00adhees\u00adt\u00e4, kos\u00adka sen vir\u00adheen hin\u00adnan sil\u00adl\u00e4 ker\u00adtaa oli\u00adsi jou\u00adtu\u00adnut mak\u00adsa\u00admaan ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-7li1v6lotjtc4e9j44nb1r1g0\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-rcf663ifp1utkb1mlqyx4a2vw\">Ainut tapaus, jos\u00adsa ihmi\u00adsen tap\u00adpa\u00admi\u00adsen ihmis\u00adhen\u00adki\u00e4 s\u00e4\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4\u00adn\u00e4, ennal\u00adtaeh\u00adk\u00e4i\u00adse\u00adv\u00e4\u00adn\u00e4 toi\u00admen\u00adpi\u00adtee\u00adn\u00e4 voi hyv\u00e4k\u00adsy\u00e4, on siis se, ett\u00e4 se ihmi\u00adnen joko todel\u00adla <em>on<\/em> ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti tai sit\u00adten k\u00e4yt\u00adt\u00e4y\u00adtyy muus\u00adta syys\u00adt\u00e4 t\u00e4y\u00adsin, siis <em>t\u00e4y\u00adsin<\/em> ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adtin tavoin. Eik\u00e4 <em>t\u00e4y\u00adsin<\/em> ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adtin tavoin k\u00e4yt\u00adt\u00e4y\u00adty\u00adv\u00e4, hel\u00advet\u00adti sen\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n, tar\u00adkoi\u00adta sit\u00e4, ett\u00e4 joku juok\u00adsee polii\u00adsia pakoon pak\u00adsus\u00adsa takis\u00adsa. Jos min\u00e4 oli\u00adsin myy\u00adm\u00e4\u00adl\u00e4\u00advar\u00adkais\u00adsa, min\u00e4 puki\u00adsin p\u00e4\u00e4l\u00adle\u00adni pak\u00adsun takin (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.kaleva.fi\/cf\/juttu.cfm?j=498115\">jol\u00adlais\u00adta de Meneze\u00adsil\u00adl\u00e4 ei v\u00e4lt\u00adt\u00e4\u00adm\u00e4t\u00adt\u00e4 edes ollut<\/a>), repun, ja aivan saa\u00adta\u00adnan var\u00admas\u00adti juok\u00adsi\u00adsin pakoon polii\u00adsia. Enk\u00e4 min\u00e4 sil\u00adloin ansait\u00adsi\u00adsi tul\u00adla ammu\u00adtuk\u00adsi, vaik\u00adka kau\u00adpan alal\u00adla elan\u00adton\u00adsa hank\u00adki\u00advat t\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4 voi\u00advat\u00adkin olla eri miel\u00adt\u00e4.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-rcf663ifp1utkb1mlqyx4a2vw\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-khv9d6efi3iwnmhjw7evbyt6e\">T\u00e4y\u00adsin ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adtin tavoin k\u00e4yt\u00adt\u00e4y\u00adty\u00adv\u00e4 tyyp\u00adpi, joka ei ole ter\u00adro\u00adris\u00adti, ja jon\u00adka ampu\u00admi\u00adnen oli\u00adsi ymm\u00e4r\u00adret\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4\u00e4, oli\u00adsi joko mie\u00adli\u00adsai\u00adras tai joku pel\u00adlei\u00adly\u00e4 yrit\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4 t\u00e4y\u00adsi\u00addioot\u00adti.  En kyl\u00adl\u00e4\u00adk\u00e4\u00e4n usko edes min\u00adk\u00e4\u00e4n <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mtv.co.uk\/mtv.co.uk\/news\/article.jhtml?articleId=30026211\">Dir\u00adty Sanc\u00adhez<\/a> -tyyp\u00adpi\u00adsen ohjel\u00adman j\u00e4t\u00adkien ole\u00advan niin tyh\u00admi\u00e4, ett\u00e4 rupe\u00adai\u00adsi\u00advat sel\u00adlai\u00adseen. Mut\u00adta jos siis rupe\u00adai\u00adsi\u00advat, ja tuli\u00adsi\u00advat ammu\u00adtuk\u00adsi, <em>se<\/em> oli\u00adsi ymm\u00e4r\u00adret\u00adt\u00e4\u00adv\u00e4\u00e4. Vain sil\u00adloin polii\u00adsi ei oli\u00adsi minus\u00adta min\u00adk\u00e4\u00e4n\u00adlai\u00adses\u00adsa vas\u00adtuus\u00adsa viat\u00adto\u00adman ampu\u00admi\u00adses\u00adta.&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-khv9d6efi3iwnmhjw7evbyt6e\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-sm4a6jt8sv381dbyxi6siwa36\">T\u00e4m\u00e4 ei ole yksin\u00adker\u00adtai\u00adnen asia, kuten huo\u00admaat\u00adte. Koet\u00adta\u00adkaa nyt kui\u00adten\u00adkin t\u00e4l\u00adl\u00e4 ker\u00adtaa taju\u00adta, mit\u00e4 tar\u00adkoi\u00adtan, ennen kuin rupeat\u00adte vihoit\u00adte\u00adle\u00admaan minul\u00adle. (Hah! Oikeas\u00adti\u00adhan min\u00e4 tie\u00adtys\u00adti toi\u00advon, ett\u00e4 minul\u00adle ale\u00adtaan vihoi\u00adtel\u00adla, jon\u00adka j\u00e4l\u00adkeen min\u00e4 saan taas nau\u00adres\u00adkel\u00adla tyh\u00admyy\u00addel\u00adle.)&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-sm4a6jt8sv381dbyxi6siwa36\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-jwjrmmqindr0yi3ellxy7xjpy\">Luet\u00adta\u00advaa: <a href=\"http:\/\/observer.guardian.co.uk\/focus\/story\/0,6903,1548808,00.html\">\u201cDeath in Stockwell: the unanswe\u00adred ques\u00adtions\u201d<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.kasablogi.com\/arkisto\/004359.html\">via <em>Kasa<\/em><\/a>), <a href=\"http:\/\/www.itn.co.uk\/news\/1677571.html\">\u201cMis\u00adta\u00adkes led to tube shoo\u00adting\u201d<\/a> (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.itn.co.uk\/news\/headlines.html\">ITN<\/a>), ITV: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.itv.com\/news\/index_312121.html\">De Menezes fami\u00adly: \u2018Char\u00adge them with mur\u00adder\u2019&nbsp;\u201d<\/a> (Yle24: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.yle.fi\/uutiset\/oikea\/id16126.html\">\u201cPolii\u00adsi valeh\u00adte\u00adlee met\u00adro\u00adsur\u00admas\u00adta\u201d<\/a>).&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-jwjrmmqindr0yi3ellxy7xjpy\">#<\/a><\/p>\n<p id=\"post1407-j96q4y4v79he0mbw04gmcd40w\">[muok\u00adkauk\u00adset]<br>\n[muokkaus][klo]14.8.[\/klo] 15:42 Lis\u00e4\u00adsin lin\u00adkin Guar\u00addian Unlimitediin.[\/muokkaus]<br>\n[muokkaus][klo]16.8.[\/klo] 21:46 Lis\u00e4\u00adsin lin\u00adkin ITN:\u00e4\u00e4n.[\/muokkaus]<br>\n[muokkaus][klo]17.8.[\/klo] 13:25 Lis\u00e4\u00adsin lin\u00adkin ITV:n sivuil\u00adle ja Yle24:n suo\u00admen\u00adkie\u00adli\u00adseen versioon.[\/muokkaus]<br>\n[\/muokkaukset]&nbsp;<a rel=\"bookmark\" class=\"paragraph-permalink\" href=\"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/2005\/07\/31\/jean-charles-de-menezes\/#post1407-j96q4y4v79he0mbw04gmcd40w\">#<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Edel\u00adli\u00adsen kir\u00advoit\u00adta\u00admat kom\u00admen\u00adtit antoi\u00advat pot\u00adkua, kii\u00adtos niis\u00adt\u00e4!&nbsp;# Polii\u00adsi, joka ampui de Meneze\u00adsin, teki v\u00e4\u00e4\u00adrin joka tapauk\u00adses\u00adsa. Se, oli\u00adko se v\u00e4\u00e4\u00adrin juridisessa[alaviite]En tie\u00adten\u00adk\u00e4\u00e4n tun\u00adne, vie\u00adl\u00e4 v\u00e4hem\u00adm\u00e4n s\u00e4\u00e4\u00add\u00e4 brit\u00adti\u00adl\u00e4i\u00adsi\u00e4 lake\u00adja, mut\u00adta juri\u00addis\u00adta vas\u00adtuu\u00adta kos\u00adke\u00advat \u201cn\u00e4in on\u201d-lauseet pit\u00e4\u00e4\u00adkin t\u00e4s\u00ads\u00e4 lukea \u201cn\u00e4in pit\u00e4i\u00adsi olla\u201d-lauseiksi. Rin\u00adnas\u00adtan ne moraa\u00adlis\u00adta vas\u00adtuu\u00adta kos\u00adke\u00adviin \u201cn\u00e4in on\u201d-lauseisiin t\u00e4s\u00ads\u00e4 vain suju\u00advuu\u00adden vuoksi.[\/alaviite] vai pel\u00adk\u00e4s\u00adt\u00e4\u00e4n moraa\u00adli\u00adses\u00adsa mieless\u00e4,&nbsp;[\u2026]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"wp_typography_post_enhancements_disabled":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[11444],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1407","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-merkinnat"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1407","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1407"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1407\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23177,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1407\/revisions\/23177"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1407"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1407"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/mummila.net\/marginaali\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1407"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}